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by macsmits
(3 posts)
10 years ago

Julius Keilwerth KING Modell 3

I've recently bought an old tenorsax just for wall-decoration. When I had a closer look, I found out that it is probably a vintage Julius Keilwerth, with the name KING on the bell. It has a very low serialnumber 9xxx, and below that 'Modell 3' is engraved. It also has rolled toneholes! Does anybody have any further information for me, about this sax? Does some has a sax likewise? I'm very certain that it isn't a NewKing or ToneKing.. I've compared them with mine.. Looking forward to receive much new information, Mac

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  1. by Dave Dix
    (421 posts)

    10 years ago

    Re: Julius Keilwerth KING Modell 3

    New king ,tone king and king tempo were all keilwerth stencils for king.Kohlhert, sml and evette also made stencils for king., Have a look at www.saxpics.com and they may have your horn there. Dave

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    1. by macsmits
      (3 posts)

      10 years ago

      Re: Julius Keilwerth KING Modell 3

      Thanks for your reply! I'd already searched the saxpics.com site. The only thing noted there about the J.Keilwerth King is, that it's a early horn. The photos showed after clicking the hyperlink don't look the way my sax does. - the engravings are very different... mine are not that curly, they only say 'KING' in a bold font. - the low B- and Bflat-buttons are on the different side of the bell I don't know, this is caused by the difference alto-sax vs. tenorsax. To emphasize, the sax I've bought is a tenor sax! I'm getting more and more curious... wether the sax will be worth revision..? It isn't playable right now... Looking forward to getting more info Mac

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      1. by Dave Dix
        (421 posts)

        10 years ago

        Re: Julius Keilwerth KING Modell 3

        If the low B and Bb are on opposite sides then you do have an early horn.Pre 1930 or so. if you have the top front F key it will be after around 1925 if not before 1925. A picture would help Dave

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        1. by macsmits
          (3 posts)

          10 years ago

          Re: Julius Keilwerth KING Modell 3

          Sorry Dave, I didn't formulate my sentences very well. All the saxes on the pictures @ saxpics.com have the low B and Bb on the opposite sites. My horn hasn't! I don't know what you mean with the top front F-key, could you explain a bit more..? I also compared all the visuals of the KING stencils with my horn, and I didn't found much comparision. On the other hand, mine does look a lot like this TONEKING alto: www.saxpics.com/the_gallery/Keilwerth/toneking/alto/silver/18253/i-1.jpg --> But then the engraving (KING) doesn't support the actual type, and the age doesn't match the serial!! Because in a outline of Keilwerth Serial Numbers I found out, that this sax will be around 1935. But unfortunately I still haven't found any more information about it. I'm sure it is JK and not an Amati, because of the microturner screw and the Keilwerth serial! Tomorrow, I will add a visual of my sax.. to make description more clear!!

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