Saxophone Forum


by StratmanBaze
(61 posts)
9 years ago

WOAH, MIRACLE

ok ok ok i got a new sax but haha let me tell u about it! I was walking in this one neighborhood where my friend lives yesterday. there are a lot of garage sales or something going on, and one of them was selling antiques. This one lady had a saxophone for sale. She had it behind the "counter" so I couldn't see what it was, but i asked the price and she said "100 dollars." Now I don't normally go around carrying a hundred dollars...so anyways I asked if I can try it out. She said I could. I picked it up and lo and behold... a five-digit serial number Selmer Paris Mark VI with maybe 5% finish wear. I told her she should add a couple zeros to the price but she said she wanted to sell it for cheap because it was her ex-husbands and she hated him bad. I guess she didn't want money from his stuff? I dont kno... so anyways, I told her to keep it out. My friend and I raced to his house and i borrowed a hundred bux (ofcourse i repayed him this morning) and bought the sucker! it sounds soooooo nice! a vintage otto link 6* came with it. the lady called it "a scrap piece of metal" or something...also a dukoff hollywood 8* came wih it.

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  1. by FredCDobbs
    (77 posts)

    9 years ago

    Re: WOAH, MIRACLE

    Stratman: Someone else told an identical story like this a while back about a 10M. This kind of thing can only happen by complete accident. Good for you!!

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    1. by StratmanBaze
      (61 posts)

      9 years ago

      Re: WOAH, MIRACLE

      thanks man. does this happen frequently anyways?

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      1. by someguy
        (80 posts)

        9 years ago

        Re: WOAH, MIRACLE

        That is an absolute randome act. I love it. Divorce sucks, but sometimes it is good for the items one wants to discard as junk. Good for you you. Hey, I'll buy it for $200. 00. Joke, congratulations!!

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        1. by definition
          (963 posts)

          9 years ago

          Re: WOAH, MIRACLE

          Too bad it was a Selmer!! Now if that was one of the vintage american horns....

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        2. by johnsonfromwisconsin
          (767 posts)

          9 years ago

          Re: WOAH, MIRACLE

          My only question in such a situation is: was the divorce and settlement finalized? Posessions are divvy'ed during the settlement and an item such as that isn't really a dishrack, it's a serious asset. Did she have a right to sell it? if not, I'd be concerned with being subpeonaed for it's return. You can't legally sell something you don't hold title to, and if the horn's title was in contest.....

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        3. by johnsonfromwisconsin
          (767 posts)

          9 years ago

          Re: WOAH, MIRACLE

          Well, not that I would have done anything different here, however. At worst, I figure you'd have to give the horn back after having your payment returned. It's easy to forget, but I would also ask for a bill of sale just to cover your behind.

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        4. by connsaxman_jim
          (2336 posts)

          9 years ago

          Re: WOAH, MIRACLE

          Possession is 9/10th of the law! Enjoy your new horn!

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        5. by johnsonfromwisconsin
          (767 posts)

          9 years ago

          Re: WOAH, MIRACLE

          ---------------------------------------------------------------- Possession is 9/10th of the law! Enjoy your new horn! ------------------------------------------------------------------ I don't know where that fable comes from because possession is 0/10ths of the law when it comes to owning something with a "dirty" title. Possession only comes into it when an item's former ownership can't be established, something that is relatively easy to do with items that have serial#s an an obvious trail of possessors. www.cybersax.com has a few stories that illustrate what happens when they've been found in possession of horns with non-clear titles. It isn't pretty! Anyway, I'm kind of being a poop, I know. Truth is, I wouldnt' do it any different than he. Worst case, he gets a refund, most likely, it's change of possession isn't contested and he gets to keep it.

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        6. by StratmanBaze
          (61 posts)

          9 years ago

          Re: WOAH, MIRACLE

          thanks guys actually believe it or not the guy she divorced is in jail. also, i think she said the divorce was like...10 years ago, when i come to remember the convo i had with her

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        7. by connsaxman_jim
          (2336 posts)

          9 years ago

          Re: WOAH, MIRACLE

          Saxophones don't have titles, Johnson! Did you get a receipt Stratman Baze? I hope you did. I ran into a similar problem with a horn that I purchased. It had been left at a music store for over 3 years. The previous owner apparently didn't have the money to pick it up. The music store finally sold the horn and I bought it. It just so happened that the owner came in later that week and asked about the horn. It was gone, he was pissed! The owner told him that he had called several times and left messages, and the guy said yeah, I haven't had the money and I've been busy. The owner told him, well even if you would have called me and told me your situation, I would have tried to work something out with you, but after 3 years! I finally spoke up and told him, "I purchased the horn you are referring to, and I will sell it back to you for what I paid for it." He accepted. It just seemed like the right thing to do, but did I have to do it? HELL NO!!! He left the horn at the music store! It was abandoned. Th store had every right to sell it! In your case, Stratmanbaze, the horn was left at this ladies house, probably for some time, before this lady decided to sell it. They were legally married. Chances are, he owed her money or something anyway. She had every right to sell his sax for whatever she could get out of it! The saxophone was left in her posession! As long as the sax was not reported stolen, you're free and clear!

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        8. by connsaxman_jim
          (2336 posts)

          9 years ago

          Re: WOAH, MIRACLE

          Johnson, don't you watch Jjudge Judy? lol Come on, man!

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        9. by martysax
          (148 posts)

          9 years ago

          Re: WOAH, MIRACLE

          I Love My Wife. I Love My Wife!

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        10. by StratmanBaze
          (61 posts)

          9 years ago

          Re: WOAH, MIRACLE

          yeah, i did the usual stuff you do when buying a used item like "asking about previous owner" and "was it fully paid for" the lady didn't give me anything, but she wrote a note to me saying that it was perfectly fine that i buy it for 200 bux and there arent any legal problems with it. she also gave me a receipt. by the way that was a nice thing of u 2 do connsaxman_jim...to sell the horn back. but to tell you the truth- i mean my dad owns a jewelry business and he gets problems where people dont pay in years and we have stuff to go- the dude didnt deserve you sellin the horn to him.

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        11. by connsaxman_jim
          (2336 posts)

          9 years ago

          Re: WOAH, MIRACLE

          Well, I really didn't need the horn, and it wasn't a particularly valuable horn either; just an older Buescher Aristocrat alto. It was in decent shape. If it had been a 6M or a Chu, or a King Super 20 or something, he wouldn't have gotten it back. I've done similar stuff before though; put something in layaway, pay a few $$ on it, and then decide I didn't want it and forget about it. Maybe he didn't have the money before or whatever. In any case, he was thankful to get his horn back.

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        12. by StratmanBaze
          (61 posts)

          9 years ago

          Re: WOAH, MIRACLE

          well thats good. now i got two tenors... a reference 54 and a Mark VI. both pretty good too, but lets say in the future i was to get an alto sax... and let's say I want to try something new, somethin other than Selmer. what horn would you recommend?

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        13. by connsaxman_jim
          (2336 posts)

          9 years ago

          Re: WOAH, MIRACLE

          Conn 6M!

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        14. by johnsonfromwisconsin
          (767 posts)

          9 years ago

          Re: WOAH, MIRACLE

          10 years ago and in jail? heh, you're safe. Jim, Saxophones do have titles. A gumball out of a machine technically has a "title", from my understanding. Titles may or may not have paper form (like automobiles do), but they (titles) represent who has right to posess an object and may only exist conceptually.

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        15. by definition
          (963 posts)

          9 years ago

          Re: WOAH, MIRACLE

          get a King Zephyr alto!

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        16. by connsaxman_jim
          (2336 posts)

          9 years ago

          Re: WOAH, MIRACLE

          So Johnson, what if I put a quarter in a gumball machine and get 2 gumballs.....should I put one back? Or what if I find a gumball on the floor by the gumball machine? Should I leave it there, because the right owner might return to clame it, or can I eat it? (Not sure i would want to, but...) I see what you're getting at, but there is NO title or registration associated with saxophones or gumballs!!! Rights of ownership, yes, but it's not like it has a VIN number that is registered with the Secretary of State like a vehicle! Note....as I am reading this post, I am laughing and rolling my eyes at you!

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        17. by johnsonfromwisconsin
          (767 posts)

          9 years ago

          Re: WOAH, MIRACLE

          Jim, you don't understand what "Title" means. You're interjecting a strawman with the two gumballs nonsense. Here is a good read about the topic at hand with respect to saxophones and the concept of 'titles': www.cybersax.com/QA/Q&A_Stolen%20Saxophones.html BTW, I'm done with this thread. I posted in order to be informative, not to drag the discussion down.

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        18. by connsaxman_jim
          (2336 posts)

          9 years ago

          Re: WOAH, MIRACLE

          Johnson, unfortunately most cops are too busy writing speeding and seatbelt tickets to look for stolen saxophones, so even if the sax was stolen, chances are they would take the complaint and tell the owner to watch the local pawn shops! The police recover very little stolen merchandise! I would never purchase anything knowing that it was stolen! This is an all together different story. Say you move in with a lovely lady and the two of you are together for a couple years, and she gets sick and tired of your ass being on the computer all day pricing saxophones on ebay, posting advice on Saxquest and looking at porn and kicks you out! She tells you..."Johnson, you've got 5 days to get your shit or it's going in the dumpster!" Well in the mean time, you're looking for a place to stay. Maybe you can shack up with Tina, the slut you met at your last bar gig! So, you shack up with Tina. You're afraid to talk to you ex because you still owe her for a phone bill, and half a dozen pay-per-view porn movies you ordered on her cable.....not to mention the bail money she loaned you. So, a couple years pass, and the shit blows over, and you see the ex walking her dog down the street. You ask her, "hey, do you still have that sax I left at your place?" "haha No, I sold that to some kid for $100 to pay for the cable bill you stuck me with asshole!" Well guess what Johnny? The sax is GONE!!! So the moral of this story is....... 1. Don't spend all your time on the internet searching ebay for saxophones, looking at saxquest or porn. 2. When the girlfriend says come get your shit or else....GET YOUR SHIT!!! 3. Don't shack up with girls named Tina! Especially if they have children....especially if she has two daughters named Lauren and Emily.....especially......oh nevermind!

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        19. by connsaxman_jim
          (2336 posts)

          9 years ago

          Re: The sax is GONE Johnny

          This post was meant to be entertaining, and should not be read by anyone named Tina! The Johnson mentioned in this post is NOT Johnsonfromwisconsin. I believe this Johnson is from Arkansas, but I'm not sure! Still, there is an important lesson to be learned! Especially when it comes to women named Tina!

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        20. by StratmanBaze
          (61 posts)

          9 years ago

          Re: The sax is GONE Johnny

          Do tell, connsaxman_jim......is Tina someone you knew?

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        21. by definition
          (963 posts)

          9 years ago

          Re: The sax is GONE Johnny

          probably an ex from some time in his life. She take your sax and pawn it when she left or something?

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        22. by connsaxman_jim
          (2336 posts)

          9 years ago

          Re: The sax is GONE Johnny

          She never took my sax, lol just a lot of money. I was always loaning her money for something and never got paid back. She spent half of it at the bar. I never lived with her; only stayed with her occasionally for a weekend or a couple days, and it was always....can you loan me money for groceries or for a phone bill or utilities or something! Her 2 daughters were adorable and I just loved both of them and used to take them to the movies, or to Toys R Us and let them pick out something cool. I loved her kids, but mom was an irresponsible drunk, and when I caught her kissing some guy in the parking lot of a bar next to his truck, I screamed a few unrepeatable words, called her a drunken whore and haven't really talked to her since!

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        23. by StratmanBaze
          (61 posts)

          9 years ago

          Re: The sax is GONE Johnny

          jeez dat sucks... esp. when they got cute kids

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