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by barisax999
(400 posts)
18 years ago

hummingbird

am i the only one who is pissed at selmers tribute to charlie parker with their "Hummingbird". the bird (while he played on many horns) almost never played on selmer Paris. He played mainly conns. the keywork and everything about the hummingbird is something Parker would not have liked. i have no problem with selmer horns, i play selmer. but is there not something wrong with this tribute? and how much are they charging for these "tributes"? Rediculous

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  1. by definition
    (963 posts)

    18 years ago

    Re: hummingbird

    I suggest for you to do what everyone else is doing, and just not worry about it.

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  2. by MarkLavelle
    (300 posts)

    18 years ago

    Re: hummingbird

    Ummmm . . . where exactly does one gain insight into what Mr. Parker might or might not have liked in his instruments? Not trying to be snarky - just genuinely curious where people get these ideas. Didn't he even play one of those plastic horns for a while?

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    1. by definition
      (963 posts)

      18 years ago

      Re: hummingbird

      He played the grafton plastic alto quite often. He used it outside of the states for a long period but not here because of a conflicting endorsement. Along with the grafton, he played a Conn 6M VIII and a King Super 20 Silversonic both for a while. He wasnt especually known to play on a selmer, but undoubtedly did so at some ime or another Of course, he was known when he got into drugs heavily to change horns like most people change underwear.

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      1. by chiamac
        (586 posts)

        18 years ago

        Re: hummingbird

        that's a lot of money.

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      2. by kelsey
        (930 posts)

        18 years ago

        Re: hummingbird

        I've always heard that Bird was given horns by the different companys at different times and sometimes he'd pawn the horns to buy drugs. It's said he sometimes borrowed a saxophone at the last minute from a friend for a gig and then pawn that horn as well. Bird lived such a messed up life yet was the greatest musical genius America has ever produced...Kelsey
        Barry Kelsey

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        1. by jazz625
          (12 posts)

          18 years ago

          Re: hummingbird

          Hi. Can I just expand on that theory. A theory that I have been working on for some time. Put aside Parker for a couple of seconds. Mouthpieces. The pain in every saxophone players life. You spend loads of hard earned cash on getting the right sound. Even Horns, ‘Do I spend ?2K on a pro horn, or spend a little less on a Yamaha?’ It’s the same story through almost every posy on this site! Includes Reed, Ligs….. Now, back to Parker. The greatest Saxophone player of all time! Period!! If he was still alive today he would still be giving everyone a run for their money. If he was still alive today he may even be using a Selmer Humming Bird. But somehow I don’t think it would bother him. Now to my point. Yes, he did porn his horns, and mouthpieces for that matter. And yes he did borrow and play on a number of different horns and mouthpieces. Now here is the interesting thing. Every time he sounded like Parker! No matter what horn he used, or mouthpiece, he still sounded like Parker. I tried something a few months ago, maybe you could also try this. I recorded myself on a bunch of mouthpieces. During the recording I though how different they sounded. On the way to work the next day I listened to all of it and I could not tell the difference.! Anyway, I’m going on a bit, but I think you get my point. Regards Paul.

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        2. by barisax999
          (400 posts)

          18 years ago

          Re: hummingbird

          i have a question. on what grounds is bird the best sax player of all time? im not saying that bird was absolutely phenomenal and i would do anything to be as good as he was, but really i dont think he was the best. i think what he had going for him was insanely fast fingers, especially in regards to improv. but as a musician i think that brecker and coltrane could dance circles around bird. they have overall better technique and sound, in my opinion. of course you cant really put an alto player up against a tenor player(although bird did play tenor, especially in his earlier years). but is anyone else with me that bird was not the best ever?

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      3. by connsaxman_jim
        (2336 posts)

        18 years ago

        Re: hummingbird

        I couldn't agree more Kelsey and you are absolutely right. I was reading a book about Bird, and he would frequently pawn or sell horns, even horns that did not belong to him. He would borrow horns from other musicians and record companies that he worked for. Although the horn that he played most often was the 6M VIII that definition mentioned, he played anything and everything from Conns, Bueschers, Graftons, Kings, and probably a few Selmers too. Unfortunately, Selmer now owns Conn and all rights to the name. I think Selmer prefers to market the Conn line as student-intermediate horns, and the Hummingbird tribute horn is an over-priced professional model not worthy of the Conn name. True, the good name of Conn was pulled through the mud during the MacMillian years, but US Selmer; aka Conn/Selmer continues to bastardize the name with a bunch of student quality junk. What a shame! But that's business, I suppose.

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      4. by barisax999
        (400 posts)

        18 years ago

        Re: hummingbird

        i agree, what the american selmer company has done to conn is horrible. conns used to be great, back in the 10M and chu era. never good intonation, but a great sound, especially for jazz. although to survive in todays saxophone world conn would have had to have undergone some serious changes or they souldnt compete with companies like yamaha, keilwerth, or even paris selmer.

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      5. by connsaxman_jim
        (2336 posts)

        18 years ago

        Re: hummingbird

        In fact, here is the book I was referring to. It is available through Amazon. Bird: The Legend of Charlie Parker (Da Capo Paperback) (Paperback) by Robert George Reisner www.amazon.com/gp/product/0306800691/qid=1141137659/sr=2-3/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_3/102-0438442-8704166?s=books&v=glance&n=283155 GREAT book! If you love Bird and jazz, you have to buy this one!

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      6. by kelsey
        (930 posts)

        18 years ago

        Re: hummingbird

        Thanks! I will get the book. Although Bird was gone when I was a kid, listening to his records was the biggest influence on my learning Jazz. I played a gig in Jacksonville Florida with Dizzy a couple of years before he died and we talked about Bird. I guess Bird was his only worst enemy....Kelsey
        Barry Kelsey

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      7. by kelsey
        (930 posts)

        18 years ago

        Re: hummingbird

        That dosen't sound right. I mean Bird way Birds own worst enemy....Kelsey
        Barry Kelsey

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