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by merseymale
(4 posts)
10 months ago

Hawkes&Son mystery C Melody?

I have been given a Hawkes & Son C Melody saxophone which seems very very old and has been difficult to research

 

I was given it because I already have a Cmel -a Conn NW2-  and the original owner claimed that the one he was giving me/getting rid of was high pitch and therefore useless and kindly thought it would be fun for me to learn how to repair saxophones with safely (!) As it didn’t matter if I damaged it! (Sacrilege!)

 

 I have got five notes working so far,  just to get an idea of the sound and whether it’s worth overhauling etc and four of them seem in pitch  and the one that doesn’t (bear in mind this is hardly regulated or anything…) Is blowing at a lower pitch NOT high?!

 

The neck, though curved, seems to have the same volume/dimensions as the straightneck on my Conn but the body, though the toneholes seem to be in the same places, IS a bit shorter on the Hawkes than my Conn when compared side-by-side...

 

 Do you think that they are both lower pitch and its just that some manufacturers make shorter sized horns than others without affecting pitch too much..? 

 

 The bore does seem to be similar although, maybe, the Hawkes IS millimetres wider..?

 

 Any help or advice you can offer is much appreciated!

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  1. by historicsaxwhisperer
    (395 posts)

    10 months ago

    Re: Hawkes&Son mystery C Melody?

     I am not at all familiar with French C melodys, but very familiar with Conn.

    I would expect the chances of it being high pitch are pretty good. High pitch was a european thing mostly. But, if you can play it to a tuner, that should tell you.

    The cost to have a good tech completely refurbish it and do a good job would outweigh its value, wether it is high or low pitch.  The value would only be to the owner. The person enjoying it.

    If somebody was actually looking for a C melody, it is usually a Conn straight neck, Buescher with a front F, or a Martin. In that order.

    I myself love Conn C melodies. I do refurbishing of vintage saxes. If it was mine, I would refurbish it. but my only investment woould be a set of pads and my time.

    I dont think this helps you much but some input.

    Good Luck

     

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    1. by merseymale
      (4 posts)

      10 months ago

      Re: Hawkes&Son mystery C Melody?

       

      hey, nope! Thanks for replying :-)

       

      I’m pretty sure it’s English and not French (?)

      I do have a conn straightneck that I use tenor mouthpieces on but my alto and my tenor are much later hawks and sons so I am Kind of used to them…

       I cannot justify having TWO Cmelodies (!)so my plan was to sell one and keep the other and I imagine the Conn would bring more cash to which I could spend fixing up the Hawks but my hesitation is due to the fact that it’s a smaller horn than the Conn and I’m hoping someone will say something like “oh yes, Conn Cmels ARE longer than usual/they need to be“ &/or “Hawkes&Son make Fine Cmelodys!“

       As it stands, now, what I am sure of is that some of the notes are in tune on the Hawkes; one or two are not and the rest are currently unplayable and need refurbishing anyway.

       One other thing I’ve noticed the toneholes of the Hawkes are soldered on so is this a recipe for more problems later on down the line?

      (I’ve only ever previously owned saxophones with drawn toneholes)  

       

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      1. by historicsaxwhisperer
        (395 posts)

        10 months ago

        Re: Hawkes&Son mystery C Melody?

        Hawkes....Dah

        Boosey and Hawkes in later years. Yeah sorry, that is an English company

        But, I still think its French Made. In any event, High Pitch was a European thing, and Yes probably more English than French.

        I still would not recommend any money being put into it, unless you just want to for yourself. You would have a hard time getting it back out be reselling it.

        If you want me to say what you are looking for I can, but it would be a lie.

        The Conn is a cadillac.

        The Hawkes is a AMC Pacer.

        Party on Wayne. Party on Garth.

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        1. by merseymale
          (4 posts)

          10 months ago

          Re: Hawkes&Son mystery C Melody?

          Thanks 
          You probably are right

          Some people need a wake up call...
           Thanks for telling me straight  

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