I would avoid ebay. Either of those models could cost you about four hundred dollars, plus shipping, plus another few hundred to get it in playing condition, maybe more. Don't let any of this discourage you as there are more affordable ways than paying full price for new student horns. You can save the big expense for a professional horn if he sticks with it until college. Try these places: www.junkdude.com/saxes/saxophones.htm Junkdude has some used student horns, maybe of the type recommended. You could email him to see what he has to offer. I have bought from him before and he's honest, and others have had the same thing to say. Kessler music has a tremendous reputation. www.kesslermusic.com/html/saxophone.html He may be able to get you what you need. Good luck and feel free to ask questions! :)

not that this is any safer than ebay, but check craigslist.org I see a few horns posted around this area (minneapolis) and I would assume other people are using it as well. also check local shops for local repair people, sometimes they (as well as people on here) do projects on the side and fix up horns to sell them cheaply. (or less expensive than new) good luck!

I was reading my local Craig's List: richmond.craigslist.org/msg/176432545.html Maybe you can get him to go to 500+ shipping? I have no information about that listing, I just figured I would pass it along.