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Forum » Sax Equipment » For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece. by Radjammin (255 posts) 18 years ago For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece. Hello everyone, I have played threw my S90 and my S80 and now I just want something more. I have been here a while and read all the post pro and con for the Selmer C* and for me I have finally decided I want something a little brighter for legit playing. I just feel like my tone completly changes between my Jumbo Java and my S80 C. I want my legit tone to be a little more hip. I have seen people just play a Meyer 5 in Legit and it seems to work pretty good, I have also thought about buying a new Selmer Soloist(the vintage ones are too expensive). Anyone recommend, and please try to stay mainstream, with what you suggest and why? I don't got the bucks to shell out on mult mouthpieces so if I guess give me something better or at least verify you can use a Meyer 5 to play legit? Thanks. I love my Jumbo Java but even I realize it's too loud for legit and pardon the pun, but the C is just too square for my current taste. My price range is up to $120 new or used. Please don't waste time recommending models more then this in price range. Reply To Post [Report Abuse] Report Abuse Web Address * Your Name Your Email Address Comment
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by johnsonfromwisconsin (767 posts) 18 years ago Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece. Personally, I think the S80 allready plays much towards the bright end of the usual classical spectrum. I find the Soloist a bit darker, actually, but it's sound is more rounded and it projects better. I tried this Ponzol C* equivalent once, and it was extremely bright, and loud too, much moreso in both respects than the S80. Runyon has the 88 that plays a bit brighter as well. I think the Ponzol is reasonable, under $100, and the Runyon is quite cheap. We are talking Alto, right? www.wwbw.com/Peter-Ponzol-Traditional-C--Alto-Saxophone-Mouthpiece-i74632.music www.wwbw.com/Runyon-Model-88-Alto-Sax-Mouthpiece-i62498.music Reply To Post by Radjammin (255 posts) 18 years ago Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece. Legit Tenor, LOL You really crack me up sometimes John. but I do enjoy your advice. Hmm Ponzol. And you say the S80 is already on the bright end. Hmmm. Maybe I just want louder then, though I know I can't use my Jumbo Java playign legit, heh. I mean overall I enjoy the sound of the S80, I guess it's more the projection that I don't like. Now I am unsure. I feel like I have 2 completely different sound impressions on Jazz and Legit. Personally I have decided I do so little Legit playing I would prefer to shed that sound from my portfollio. What I wanted is something that would work in a Community band but not force me back to the dark side. Reply To Post Yahoo! AIM by Radjammin (255 posts) 18 years ago Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece. Oh and is it true you can use a Meyer 5 for legit? Reply To Post Yahoo! AIM by MarkLavelle (300 posts) 18 years ago Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece. Have you tried a regular Java? I find I can be much 'mellower' with it than with the Jumbo, but it can still make a pretty big sound... Reply To Post by blackfrancis (396 posts) 18 years ago Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece. You want to be louder, try something with a more open tip. Maybe Morgan would have something of interest, or try a Link Tone Edge. (IMHO you shoulda kept the Conn...) The hardcore legit players will have a field day with this! Mark, how is the regular Java? My interest is piqued. Reply To Post by MarkLavelle (300 posts) 18 years ago Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece. '... how is the regular Java? My interest is piqued.' I haven't tried too many alternatives, but of the ones I have (and own: 4C and 5C Yamahas, Rovner G #6, Jumbo Java T55, and Java T45) the Java has the best balance between projection and what I would call purity of tone. I might use the Rovner more if all I played was what I think of as 'legit' and I might use the Jumbo more if I had no interest in getting a mellow tone (and could handle the opening - not quite there yet!), but I keep going back to the Java. It plays easy (for me) and works pretty well with just about any kind of music (and I have eclectic interests)... Reply To Post by CountSpatula (602 posts) 18 years ago Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece. Javas are good...java reeds with it might be too bright...the only drawback i find on the Java is really stuffy and totally different sound than the rest of the notes... Reply To Post AIM by barisax999 (400 posts) 18 years ago Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece. you may to try an s-80 with a larger facing like a D or E. and whats wrong with legit tenor, it happens. Reply To Post Yahoo! AIM by CountSpatula (602 posts) 18 years ago Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece. Theres also a C** (two stars) which is just a bit more open...in between the C* and the D...if you go too open of a mpc u might have to go down a size reed... Reply To Post AIM by barisax999 (400 posts) 18 years ago Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece. i found little signifigant difference between the C* and C*. it is a little more open, and by all means, try it, but it wasnt that much of a difference. Reply To Post Yahoo! AIM by CountSpatula (602 posts) 18 years ago Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece. I know, reason i mentioned that was because if you go too open you might have to drop down a size reed and end up the same projection you had before... Reply To Post AIM by blackfrancis (396 posts) 18 years ago Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece. Reed strength has nothing to do with projection. If you use too stiff of a reed you'll be working to hard, something you most definately don't want when playing legit. Now here's an idea: take one of your old C pieces and have it opened up by a good refacer. It will get brighter and louder, have a guaranteed good facing on it, and you won't have to go looking through a bunch of new pieces. Reply To Post by CountSpatula (602 posts) 18 years ago Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece. "Reed strength has nothing to do with projection." Sorry I have to disagree...if i move up a size reed on any of my mouthpieces i play on the projection goes up quiet a bit, but too high its too hard to make a note... "have a guaranteed good facing on it" I think selmer is pretty good at that... Reply To Post AIM by Radjammin (255 posts) 18 years ago Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece. Even if Reed Strenth plays into it, for me I know I am not going to a 3 or higher. I truely, utterly hate thick reeds with a passon. I will never go above a 3 and currently play 2.5 Vandoreans. Right now I am thinking about getting a Van regular or Optimum or a different S80. Mainly becuase I like Vandorean products. Thanks for all the feedback guys. I am have to say I am guaging your recommdation based on your playing history though. Age for me is not a concern but years playing is. Just thought I would throw that out there as a reminder to not spin your opionion past your years of playing. Reply To Post Yahoo! AIM by CountSpatula (602 posts) 18 years ago Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece. Just outta curiosity, why do you hate thicker reeds? Vandoren mouthpieces will give you a lot more projection than an S80 will... Reply To Post AIM by blackfrancis (396 posts) 18 years ago Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece. Stand in front of my tenor and you will hear outstanding projection with a #2 reed. You just have to learn to blow. And if you put that harder reed on, can you play ppp with control and endurance? True about Selmer facings- I've never had a dud (facing) from them. I do think your later post is also valid- I too would go Vandoren. Reply To Post by CountSpatula (602 posts) 18 years ago Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece. Playing on a 2 reed is pretty sweet. On my S80 if I use a 2.5 and play too loud the reed closes off and wont vibrate, i guess thin reeds are just not for me. Reply To Post AIM by blackfrancis (396 posts) 18 years ago Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece. The reed closing off is a sure sign that it's too soft for that piece. Soft reeds work for me because my tip openings are in the 115-120 range and they need to "flap" a bit more. Reply To Post by CountSpatula (602 posts) 18 years ago Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece. Oh well that changes everything around. I was saying a soft reed on a close tip (like S80) wont work very well....I use a 2.5 on my jazz mpcs so its all cool=) Reply To Post AIM by Radjammin (255 posts) 18 years ago Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece. You just hit on what I want from my new Mouthpiece, a more open tip. I couldn't have stated it better for the ability to play softer reed and project. My voyage continues! Right now I am just trying to unload my S90 and S80 I one to get some money to buy something new. I also don't want to be out a mouthpiece for very long. Reply To Post Yahoo! AIM by selmerfan (67 posts) 18 years ago Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece. Seriously, I'm looking for a similar change in my C, I'm going the refacing route. My stock C got me through college and the major legit pieces (Glazunov, Ibert, DuBois, Bozza, Creston, etc.), but I'm looking for a little more projection now. selmerfan Reply To Post by Radjammin (255 posts) 18 years ago Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece. Refacing seems like a sketchy way to progress. I thnk I will stick with stock options. Maybe if I stick with a selmer I will go with an E facing. From what I hear it would project more. I am also seriouly thinking about a Java (non-jumbo) as I have been so happy with Vandorean products. If it works, why change. Reply To Post Yahoo! AIM by selmerfan (67 posts) 18 years ago Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece. Radjammin, I'm not sure how long you've been playing and listening to sax, but the Java wouldn't normally be regarded as a legit mouthpiece. If all you're doing is playing in muni band then you'll probably be ok, but if that's what you're looking for, I'd also suggest a Vandoren V16 A5 or A6. They are very good Meyer inspired mouthpieces and finished better than the new Meyers are. selmerfan Reply To Post