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by Hammuh
(4 posts)
10 months ago

Need help with identification

Hello everyone,

I have not played since high school 30 years ago, when I played an alto sax.  I purchased the below today and am embarrassed to admit that I am not sure if it's a tenor or alto.  I'm hoping to identify the maker.  There is no brand name other than the notation "Made-in-Elkhart" with a serial number of 21513.

It's approximately 29" from where the neck would be inserted to the bottom.  I would be grateful for any help regarding manufacturer and dating and happy to provide other details.

Thanks!

 

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  1. by GFC
    (332 posts)

    10 months ago

    Re: Need help with identification

    It's a Bb tenor that looks like it's based on a later Conn Pan American or Director student model.  It was probably made by Conn to be sold as a horn rebranded by a merchandiser, otherwise known as a "stencil" horn.  The Conn student models made in Elkhart are good horns.  Yours looks like it is in top shape.  Call it beginner's luck!

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    1. by Hammuh
      (4 posts)

      10 months ago

      Re: Need help with identification

      Hi GFC,

      Thanks so much for the response!  Any idea on year of manufacture? 

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      1. by GFC
        (332 posts)

        10 months ago

        Re: Need help with identification

        The rod style neck brace looks like a type that Conn stopped making around 1955.  The teardrop style chromatic F# key also looks like a feature of the Pan American, which was updated slightly and renamed the Director in 1955.  But the keywork is nickel plated and Conn introduced nickel plated keys in 1955.  So overall, it's kind of confusing.  It could be that Conn used some leftover Pan American parts to make a limited run of stencil horns around 1955.  BTW, I like the bell engraving.  Looks like a fun horn to own.  That thing can make a BIG sound.

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      2. by GFC
        (332 posts)

        10 months ago

        Re: Need help with identification

        One other thing.  It looks like it has a right hand G# trill key (right below the F key), which puts the body in the Pan American (pre-1955) vintage.  But then there are those pesky nickel keys.  Maybe nickel keys were introduced on the Pan Anerican before they were introduced on the Artist models.  Or maybe they were put on stencils before they were put on Conn-branded horns.  If we allow those possibilities, it could have been made any time between the change in the Pan American body style, in which the split bell keys were replaced with same side bell keys (estimated late 1940s), to 1955.

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        1. by Hammuh
          (4 posts)

          10 months ago

          Re: Need help with identification

          Terrific, thanks so much for your help!

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        2. by Hammuh
          (4 posts)

          9 months ago

          Re: Need help with identification

          Hi GFC,

          I sent you a private message, so please check that when you get a chance.

          Thanks again for all your help.   

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