bassaxman88 thanks for the reply. Everything I've read on the Internet supports what you mention about Conn. I need to work out the purchase details with the widow and hopefully it will be something I can afford. The horn does need a little bit of work, some pads replaced, a couple rods need to be straightened out, new cork. All in all it's in pretty good shape other than the finish but that's to be expected with an old horn. I had the chance to play it last night in the jazz band that I play in and had fun with it. If I am in the Philly area I will look you up. Thanks for the offer.