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by johnsonfromwisconsin (767 posts)
18 years ago
Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece.
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by Radjammin (255 posts)
18 years ago
Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece.
Legit Tenor, LOL
You really crack me up sometimes John.
but I do enjoy your advice. Hmm Ponzol.
And you say the S80 is already on the bright end. Hmmm. Maybe I just want louder then, though I know I can't use my Jumbo Java playign legit, heh. I mean overall I enjoy the sound of the S80, I guess it's more the projection that I don't like. Now I am unsure. I feel like I have 2 completely different sound impressions on Jazz and Legit. Personally I have decided I do so little Legit playing I would prefer to shed that sound from my portfollio. What I wanted is something that would work in a Community band but not force me back to the dark side.
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by Radjammin (255 posts)
18 years ago
Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece.
Oh and is it true you can use a Meyer 5 for legit?
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by MarkLavelle (300 posts)
18 years ago
Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece.
Have you tried a regular Java? I find I can be much 'mellower' with it than with the Jumbo, but it can still make a pretty big sound...
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by blackfrancis (396 posts)
18 years ago
Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece.
You want to be louder, try something with a more open tip. Maybe Morgan would have something of interest, or try a Link Tone Edge. (IMHO you shoulda kept the Conn...) The hardcore legit players will have a field day with this! Mark, how is the regular Java? My interest is piqued.
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by MarkLavelle (300 posts)
18 years ago
Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece.
'... how is the regular Java? My interest is piqued.'
I haven't tried too many alternatives, but of the ones I have (and own: 4C and 5C Yamahas, Rovner G #6, Jumbo Java T55, and Java T45) the Java has the best balance between projection and what I would call purity of tone.
I might use the Rovner more if *all* I played was what I think of as 'legit' and I might use the Jumbo more if I had no interest in getting a mellow tone (and could handle the opening - not quite there yet!), but I keep going back to the Java. It plays easy (for me) and works pretty well with just about any kind of music (and I have eclectic interests)...
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by CountSpatula (602 posts)
18 years ago
Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece.
Javas are good...java reeds with it might be too bright...the only drawback i find on the Java is really stuffy and totally different sound than the rest of the notes...
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by barisax999 (400 posts)
18 years ago
Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece.
you may to try an s-80 with a larger facing like a D or E. and whats wrong with legit tenor, it happens.
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by CountSpatula (602 posts)
18 years ago
Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece.
Theres also a C** (two stars) which is just a bit more open...in between the C* and the D...if you go too open of a mpc u might have to go down a size reed...
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by barisax999 (400 posts)
18 years ago
Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece.
i found little signifigant difference between the C* and C**. it is a little more open, and by all means, try it, but it wasnt that much of a difference.
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by CountSpatula (602 posts)
18 years ago
Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece.
I know, reason i mentioned that was because if you go too open you might have to drop down a size reed and end up the same projection you had before...
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by blackfrancis (396 posts)
18 years ago
Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece.
Reed strength has nothing to do with projection. If you use too stiff of a reed you'll be working to hard, something you most definately don't want when playing legit. Now here's an idea: take one of your old C* pieces and have it opened up by a good refacer. It will get brighter and louder, have a guaranteed good facing on it, and you won't have to go looking through a bunch of new pieces.
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by CountSpatula (602 posts)
18 years ago
Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece.
"Reed strength has nothing to do with projection."
Sorry I have to disagree...if i move up a size reed on any of my mouthpieces i play on the projection goes up quiet a bit, but too high its too hard to make a note...
"have a guaranteed good facing on it"
I think selmer is pretty good at that...
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by Radjammin (255 posts)
18 years ago
Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece.
Even if Reed Strenth plays into it, for me I know I am not going to a 3 or higher. I truely, utterly hate thick reeds with a passon.
I will never go above a 3 and currently play 2.5 Vandoreans.
Right now I am thinking about getting a Van regular or Optimum or a different S80. Mainly becuase I like Vandorean products.
Thanks for all the feedback guys. I am have to say I am guaging your recommdation based on your playing history though. Age for me is not a concern but years playing is. Just thought I would throw that out there as a reminder to not spin your opionion past your years of playing.
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by CountSpatula (602 posts)
18 years ago
Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece.
Just outta curiosity, why do you hate thicker reeds? Vandoren mouthpieces will give you a lot more projection than an S80 will...
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by blackfrancis (396 posts)
18 years ago
Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece.
Stand in front of my tenor and you will hear outstanding projection with a #2 reed. You just have to learn to blow. And if you put that harder reed on, can you play ppp with control and endurance? True about Selmer facings- I've never had a dud (facing) from them. I do think your later post is also valid- I too would go Vandoren.
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by CountSpatula (602 posts)
18 years ago
Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece.
Playing on a 2 reed is pretty sweet. On my S80 if I use a 2.5 and play too loud the reed closes off and wont vibrate, i guess thin reeds are just not for me.
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by blackfrancis (396 posts)
18 years ago
Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece.
The reed closing off is a sure sign that it's too soft for that piece. Soft reeds work for me because my tip openings are in the 115-120 range and they need to "flap" a bit more.
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by CountSpatula (602 posts)
18 years ago
Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece.
Oh well that changes everything around. I was saying a soft reed on a close tip (like S80) wont work very well....I use a 2.5 on my jazz mpcs so its all cool=)
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by Radjammin (255 posts)
18 years ago
Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece.
You just hit on what I want from my new Mouthpiece, a more open tip. I couldn't have stated it better for the ability to play softer reed and project.
My voyage continues!
Right now I am just trying to unload my S90 and S80 I one to get some money to buy something new. I also don't want to be out a mouthpiece for very long.
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by selmerfan (67 posts)
18 years ago
Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece.
Seriously, I'm looking for a similar change in my C*, I'm going the refacing route. My stock C* got me through college and the major legit pieces (Glazunov, Ibert, DuBois, Bozza, Creston, etc.), but I'm looking for a little more projection now.
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by Radjammin (255 posts)
18 years ago
Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece.
Refacing seems like a sketchy way to progress. I thnk I will stick with stock options. Maybe if I stick with a selmer I will go with an E facing. From what I hear it would project more. I am also seriouly thinking about a Java (non-jumbo) as I have been so happy with Vandorean products. If it works, why change.
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by selmerfan (67 posts)
18 years ago
Re: For my own personal benfit, Want a new Legit Mouthpiece.
Radjammin, I'm not sure how long you've been playing and listening to sax, but the Java wouldn't normally be regarded as a legit mouthpiece. If all you're doing is playing in muni band then you'll probably be ok, but if that's what you're looking for, I'd also suggest a Vandoren V16 A5 or A6. They are very good Meyer inspired mouthpieces and finished better than the new Meyers are.
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